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Reef · Guru

No Frame No. anymore!!!!!

ShaunyBoy · Guru

Had same problem, just went round local testers explained situation, found someone who would accept the numbers off my v5, am gonna restamp frame myself when I get round to it. No one will ever know :) lol

yamahayz125 · DTR Senior Member

That shouldn't happen ad say your frames been switched the only way you can remove them numbers is with a grinder not sand blasting

Calum122 · Guru

yamahayz125 wrote:
That shouldn't happen ad say your frames been switched the only way you can remove them numbers is with a grinder not sand blasting

LOL! A grinder would leave a fück off mark where you would have ground it down? Unless of course you welded it back up then filed it back down! yeah like someone is going to go to that much trouble.

Personally i wouldn't give a flying feck. And I definitely wouldn't have destroyed my paintwork because a few numbers are missing. Damn that's stupid! I've never had my vin numbers checked on any of my mot's. even when my first mot was due. I would have told that mot station what the crack is and if thwy didn't like it take it else where.

Not sure why you felt the need to strip the paint down to look for a few useless digits. If it's not inspectable via torch then it's probably gone. in which case stripping the paint down isn't going to bring it back.

yamahayz125 · DTR Senior Member

Lol I'd hardly say usless as soon as a T5 pulls u ur fuked bud anAssamese if u restamp it theirs only 1 place it will be going and that on the back off a wagon to be checked then u will be 150notes lighter :(

Calum122 · Guru

I'm sorry but have you even seen the stamps on the dt. They are miniscule. I'm surprised even a bit of rust doesn't get rid of them.

You're making a big deal over nothing. Get the numbers restamped onto the headstock and noone will be any the wiser.

ToySoldier · DTR Legend

Ok cal to the most part I agree with what you normally say but this no that is the biggest stupidest thing I have hurd you say.

There is a word for a bike with no numbers its called a ringer and will be treated as if its stolen and you stole it along with the fact no numbers means its bit tied to a logbook so no numberplate if u get caught youll be faceing no insurance charges aswell thats 6 points just there

ShaunyBoy · Guru

Just restamp it yourself u need 3/8 size stamp set, police will understand the circumstances. If u explain, be worth booking an inspection appointment with the dvla, they will issue u with a letter confirming ur right to restamp, then u pay someone to do or do it yourself. I spent many hours over the Internet searching about this because I have the same problem. So many people don't bother to remove the powder coat layer, if pulled over they say "the numbers under the powder coat, I do not object to you scrapping back the powder coat... But u will be charged for the re coating, dissembly and reasemble, and parts required to do so" they often just check bike over and leave, so many stories like this on the Internet. But.... Stamp it your self that's best bet.

slob · Guru

Where I live i am sure the police would be understanding when you explain to them when you are riding a freshly built bike with all appropriate documentation liscences and insurance.

Maybe not if you are some Chav with no helmet riding a bike that just recently had a group of chavs all jumping on it smashing it up after two of them fell of it In the local fields.

I am sure even the biggest A hole PC would figure that one out.

MDK · DTR Legend

not reading all of above so sorry if I state something some one has already said .

that sux and sure they have been ground of and if you sand and drill wire brush after it is possible to get it that smooth so you would never tell there was anything ground of or there they are not stamped mega deep and can be sanded away easy ..

I know round here not many mot places would touch a bike with no numbers on cus in theory you could jus get home swap regplate to another bike or that mot could be used on almost any field dt just by putting the reg plate on ..

now I have home stamped many bikes in the past [no not ringers ] just bikes that have been stolen recoverd or bare frames to match a v5 . and the mot places have no problem with this and if done ok look great and just like factory stamps .

number stamps can be bought all over and are cheap on ebay realy hard to get a good consistant stamp or line unless you have the block that holds the stamps all in a line
like this kit there are much much cheaoer ones out there but this gives you the idea and be sure get the right lettering size for that bike
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RDGTOOLS-3MM-COMBINATION-NUMBER-LETTER-STAMPS-WITH-HOLDER-/370583674462?pt=UK_Measuring_Tools_Levels&hash=item5648821e5e

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well worth getting a cheap sett just to stamp almost every metal part of the bike with door number and post code or tel no incase stolen every part will be branded

SMurF_12 · DTR Senior Member

I just checked my frame as that was recently powdercoated. Frame numbers gone too :|

yamahayz125 · DTR Senior Member

It should be under the powder coating bud if its not then u wana do what Mdk said about ringing the dvla to get it stamped as any bike with no frame numbers isnt worth a light and insurance companys wont pay out if u make a claim and 9times out of 10 people wont buy them

Seiki · Admin

SMurF_12 wrote:
I just checked my frame as that was recently powdercoated. Frame numbers gone too :|

Gone as in removed or gone as in filled in with paint?

Reef's issue is the numbers have been removed and the frame has no trace of identity, meaning worst came to worst he could never prove it belongs to him.

Just powdercoating over numbers is fine, you cant prevent them taking a knocking. I bring my old MOT cirt every MOT so have no issues.

If you don't see any trace of your numbers i'd sort it out sooner rather than later

SMurF_12 · DTR Senior Member

Most likely filled with paint.
Im not going to start destroying my frame.
I will call the dvla about restamping the damn thing.
Luckily I am not riding it at the moment.

dtr jim · DTR Respected Member

I have no numbers on mines been pulled many a time And every place I go to for mot haven't said a word, never had a problem with it.

MDK · DTR Legend

SMurF_12 wrote:
Most likely filled with paint.
Im not going to start destroying my frame.
I will call the dvla about restamping the damn thing.
Luckily I am not riding it at the moment.

so if thay are filled in with paint why would you call dvla about restamping ? are you thinking of restamping in to the paint ? and do you not think this will just chip away the paint anyway .

Reef · Guru

Right cheers lads for your suggestions. So stressed and pissed off with it all as you can imagine but anyway

Ive considered all my options, spoken to a few different people and ive made up my mind what I'm gonna do.

Im going to call up DVLA tomorrow, explain the situation and hopefully there understand and try helping me out in getting it back on the road using that frame. I have a legitimate explanation, the documents like the v5 and past mot certs, pictures of everything to do with it and evidence to suggest this is really what happened. I'm not sure its going to work but its the defiantly the best option to take first....

The reason why I think its the best option to take 1st over the rest is for a number of reasons...

1. If i was to leave it or make up a plate and not bother informing the DVLA I would always have that worry that one day I could get pulled over by the old bill and they could seize it for not having any numbers, also every time it would need to go in for its MOT again there would always be that worry again of it not being passed for that reason... One year I could get away with it but what about next year and the year after that.... Its just stupid.

2. I could stamp them in myself like people have said but that's going to look even more dodgier. Like I've said to others can you imagine it with one of those 1 letter/number punchers', one will be higher than the other, a couple will be further apart, another a be sitting at a different angle, can you imagine it.... It would look dodgier doing that than just leaving it. and the **** i'd get into if i did get caught during or after I did it....

So yeah, I'm gonna call up DVLA and go from there. can't fricking believe this has happened tho..

Calum122 · Guru

Dude chillout. People have already said they're in the same boat. Don't see them stressing about it. And my frame will be getting resprayed too this winter. Won't see me kacking my pants for missing a few digits.

Obviously you didn't look at MDK's link but the punches have a holder that will hold x number of stamps together to get them evenly spaced.

You're worrying about it too much. I've been pulled many a time and I don't recall them ever checking the frame for numbers.

1. Cause no two bikes have them in the exact spot
2. Because they had no reason too.

So long as your bike is taxed mot'd insured and the bike has the necessary plates you'll have no problems.

I think yes contact dvla if you must but if it were me i'd have those numbers stamped back into the frame and no one needs to be the wiser.

ToySoldier · DTR Legend

cal just because you havent yet does not mean you wont

i have had mine check a few times for different reasons plus there is the fact if your bike gets nicked your done bikes gone.

not having frame numbers is a biggie and you need to relise it and get it sorted because your nailing your own coffin

slob · Guru

That stamper looks a nice peice of kit. It would be good on paint but I would be scared it would not work on powedercoated and chip it.

DT-R_bradders · Guru

the numbers should be directly on the front of the steering tube take some more off

Calum122 · Guru

ToySoldier wrote:
cal just because you havent yet does not mean you wont

i have had mine check a few times for different reasons plus there is the fact if your bike gets nicked your done bikes gone.

not having frame numbers is a biggie and you need to relise it and get it sorted because your nailing your own coffin

Ah ryt true mate. Cause the the thief stealing the bike won't think to take the frame number off will they! Dude if powdercoating will take the frame off then i'm certain s thief will be able to do the same.

I'm just saying don't get your knickers in a twist. For the immediate future no frame numbers are not a problem. The bike clearly isn't on the road anyway.

if it were me i'd get the frame powdercoated then have those numbers stamped back in. Job done. My project is thoroughly documented and i've got a 1001 photos of my bike so a few missing numbers that have been restamped won't be a problem.

ToySoldier · DTR Legend

Calum122 wrote:
ToySoldier wrote:
cal just because you havent yet does not mean you wont

i have had mine check a few times for different reasons plus there is the fact if your bike gets nicked your done bikes gone.

not having frame numbers is a biggie and you need to relise it and get it sorted because your nailing your own coffin
Ah ryt true mate. Cause the the thief stealing the bike won't think to take the frame number off will they! Dude if powdercoating will take the frame off then i'm certain s thief will be able to do the same.

I'm just saying don't get your knickers in a twist. For the immediate future no frame numbers are not a problem. The bike clearly isn't on the road anyway.

if it were me i'd get the frame powdercoated then have those numbers stamped back in. Job done. My project is thoroughly documented and i've got a 1001 photos of my bike so a few missing numbers that have been restamped won't be a problem.

im sorry but your being a right ****

how many people on hear have had there bike stolen in the last few years and how many came back without numbers? has yours not been stolen? next question did it come back with the number plate on because mine did not that was the first thing to go

so then how do they identify the bike your doing the thief a favor it saves them doing it.

no frame numbers is a huge problem because if you have a crash the police will check for numbers and when there are non you then do not have insurance because your frame wheels bars clocks seat tank are not linked to your plate the plate that is insured.

your just asking for ****ing trouble and think it is ok.

end of the day no numbers the bike will be classed as stolen as far as the police say and saying ow well i have photos have fun trying to prove that to the police wile they have your bike impounded untill the court date then the cost to get the bike back £150 call out fee and £10 a day

have fun

Reef · Guru

DT-R_bradders wrote:
the numbers should be directly on the front of the steering tube take some more off

Ok m8 cheers, ill be able to have a look in a bit

Calum122 · Guru

How am i being a ****. You're going worst case scenario. I'm being positive. The bikes not even on the road ffs. So why is it such a problem.

Yeah my bike got nicked. The police never once checked the frame numbers. Not once did the ask me to bring the V5 and compare engine and frame numbers. Just a black dtr was all they needed and i came and picked it up. You're not reading properly. From your point of view you can never ever paint your frame. As soon as you paint it you might as well throw it in the bin. Obviously not. You would just stamp the numbers back on. How else are you suppose to do it otherwise.

I just don't see the point in contacting the DVLA and telling them your frame has no numbers. Then stamping the exact same numbers in the exact same spot then phoning them up to tell them it's got numbers. Might as well just stamp the numbers and not tell anyone.

I really don't think the police are going to look that hard into things. And if they do they will see that there are a lot more things wrong with my bike than the fûcking frame number. Derestricted behind the clocks. Aftermarket exhaust. And a shït load of aftermarket parts. Yeah frame number ain't my main concern to be fair.

All i'm trying to do is comfort reef by telling it ain't the end of the world. It's a five minute job. And you're just being a prick and telling him it's the end of the world. Loads of people get their frames powdercoated. It ain't the end of the world.

MDK · DTR Legend

true the holder is a must have if your gona restamp and gets them in a good line with all same depth I have used many times and is a must have tool for any bike there is not a part of almost any bike I have owned that has not got my door number and postcode branded on it in many places along with restamping the frame numbers on other parts of the frame a lot of my tools and mtb are also branded with my details .

I sold a dtr purple years ago and it got nicked with in a month with no reg or front frame numbers the police did find one of my many stamps and contacted me to see if I was the owner ... was tempted ? but did inform them of the lad I sold it to and they contacted him and he got the bike back .

ok some some say they get mot and stoped with no problems with out numbers that are one of the only marks that can id the bike fast that the theifs can not always remove fast .

so lets say bike stolen in a van and in the 5 hours you dont report it . the theif has driven 100 + miles away and first thing of is the reg plate snapped out the window on m1 . now the police stop that van and ask about the bike in the back ? they reply oh its just my off road field bike always keep it in the van dont have a shed ?

copper checks nothing reported stolen in the area smooth frame with no numbers and no reg what can the copper do but let them go he has no way to id the bike you lost the first chance of getting it back and the main time they get cought is just after nicking it .
now by the next day the bike has had plastics changed or painted clocks lights ripped off dont need to chissel numbers of they gone it now looks nothing like the bike you reported stolen chances of ever getting it back 10% and all due to you dont think it needs numbers or cant be botherd to stamp some ...

also not sure where you live but I know for a fact the mot guys over here must check the v5 against the frame numbers . who,s to say im not mot ing a field bike at home and just stuck the reg on this one for the day ? infact my mates bike needs new brakes tyres and shocks but I can mot it for him by putting his reg on my mint bike for a hour .

ahhh now some ones gona say yeah but I have engine numbers . average copper has no clue where to look for engine numbers on most bikes and how many of you have changed engines or caseings and never registerd the new numbers to that bike in some cases your replaced engine could be from a nicked bike so if they did find them the owner of that bike may get your mint dtr back .

ok thats my lil rant over lol

CarlosRexx · Guru

When my bike was stolen the police didn't ask me for proof that it was even my bike. I recited my reg to a woman over the phone when I reported it but otherwise they didn't really care, it was a blue dt so they had done their job in their eyes.

Calum122 · Guru

I'm not saying don't restamp it. I'm saying don't fuss over the fact the powdercoat has removed it. My numbers are very very faint. And thats a few layers of spray paint.

At the end of the day. The frame numbers will be the second thing that goes. It's pointless saying they're must in order for you to get your bike back because that's a load of bollocks. A smart thief will have those numbers off in seconds and then you're back to square one.

Best thing is unique markings that a thief wouldn't think about. As for MOT. Fair enough. But in my opinion frame and engine numbers are about as much use as a wet paper bag. Gone in seconds and not much use to a legit owner.

ToySoldier · DTR Legend

im not telling him its the end of the world im saying it needs to be sorted sooner rather then later and your basically telling him don't worry about numbers you cant see mine and i have been fine tbh not something a mod should say.

just because the police did not ask for the vin or logbook does not mean they did not check the number plate is linked to the vin so when they recover a bike they look at the vin then cross it with the plate you gave them that is linked with a vin and wola they match therefor its your bike.

if the police do for some reason stop you and check your vin and its gone they will take the bike straight off the bat.

about the hole powdercoating gone.

there not sopost to really sandblast the numbers and good places will only give a light coat over the numbers so they dont vanish

Calum122 · Guru

Yeah i agree. But i've already said god knows how many times that the bike isn't even on the road yet. So it's not really a concern at the mo. i don't know how far he is till he's complete but if the bikes not on the road i wouldn't stress myself about it. That is how it is coming across to me. And for the sake of having people on his side if the bikes not on the road then he's not going to get pulled is he? And if he's not getting pulled then there is no way the bike will get taken off him.

So to say what i've already said too many times. If he's got time to sort it out. Then just restamp the fūcking numbers. No need to tell anyone. If nobody knows. And it's as easy to stamp as it was to remove then why ring the dvla to tell them it's got no numbers to only ring them back up and tell them i've sorted it out. Might as well get the numbers stamped back and no one will be any the wiser.

And whay you said about a Moderator is irrelevant. Fair enough if it was some chavey who was on here five minutes i probably wouldn't say the same thing. But it's not. It's reefy. He's been on here for years. We know he has had hia bike powdercoated. So he's considered a mate. And mates we reassure not the opposite and make him doubt actions.

I know what the right and wrong thing is to do. Granted my way is the wrong way. Sure i know that. But at the end of the day "pfft, shh...it's not the end of the world".