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djaniero · DTR Senior Member

Husaberg Supermotos - First Bike

Energized · DTR Legend

Go for it, i'd go for a 450 personally. Perfect weekend warrior bike, most fun on 2 wheels and ticks every box wink Or even a exc 2 smoker wink wink

scrimsmustang · DTR Mechanic

If you want a Berg I would only go for a late model KTM built one, that's when the build quality was added to them. They are now history though since KTM bought Husqvarna they have stopped production of the Husaberg,s

scrimsmustang · DTR Mechanic

Check out these bargains, late model Husky TE510,s 6 of them direct from the Yorkshire Police fleet with full service history's. Swweeetttt bikes these babys..........

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Husqvarna-TE-510-CHOICE-OF-6-/321537578913

-- Edited by scrimsmustang on Thursday 4th of December 2014 11:47:26 AM

djaniero · DTR Senior Member

@Energized....any 450s in particular that you would recommend mate. Will have around £1600 to spend.

@ Scrimsmustang - Thanks for the link...they look like really cool bikes...just a little bit out of budget. I think the police up here in Manchester could do with buying all the 6 with the amount of illegal riders I see flying about these days.

The bergs I was looking at were quite early models like this....So I'm guessing they are no good?

www.gumtree.com/p/husaberg-motorbikes/husaberg-fe400/1090251106

www.gumtree.com/p/husaberg-motorbikes/husaberg-650-suoermoto-2002/1089926563

scrimsmustang · DTR Mechanic

Nah they will be OK, just the newer ones are better

Calum122 · Guru

Scrim is the man about town with bikes. Lifetime bike mechanic and a massive smoker Fan! Well if his past history of bikes is anything to go By! How many two strokes hae you had in your time Scrim? Let alone how many road legal motocross bikes have you Had! Still think even if you do your full test you will still have so much fun on a 125. The two stroke 125's hold their value extremely well and provide you with a massive gain in terms of experience. I mean top speed on a bike will get you killed. Better off messing up on a 125 where your average speed will be lower and the bike doesn't weigh anything.

But these guys will give you a much wider opinion. All got different tastes at the end of the day. I won't get a 4 banger bike unless I absolutely have no choice. They have their quirks and like the starlet they're not necessarily the sort of thing you can absolutely rely on, despite in my years of owning bikes I've never had a smoker fail on me, it is only a matter of time.

scrimsmustang · DTR Mechanic

I couldn't count how many ive had over the years Cal. What I can say is people worry way 2 much about what it says in the manuals about maintenance of both 2stroke and 4stroke competition bikes MX and enduro,s. They can take s**t that's what they were built for.............. The manuals just want you to spend money on the manufacturers parts.

2strokes don't need a topend rebuild every 30 seconds and a bottom end rebuild every minute. Neither do the 4strokes. They just needs regular servicing to keep on top of them like any other bike. The early 4stroke bikes from the late 90,s early 00,s I would steer clear of though as they were unreliable but the newer ones are pretty much sorted now from around 04/05 and newer.

In recent history for reliability on the last 3 new 2strokes ive had, 2004 YZ250 2 piston kits and small end bearings in 4 years, bottom end never touched including the clutch. The same on a 2007 RM125 with 1 new clutch and 1 bottom end rebuild and that was because of a broken crankcase smashed by a big rock not because of mechanicals. My current 2011 XC250 has had nothing at all but its only done about 24hrs say 250miles. The last 4stroke 06 EXC525 had nothing at all in 1 year of ownership save for oil/filter changes and valve clearance checks.

They all had the usual's of tyres brakes chain and sprocket kits etc, but what I can say is don't be scared of them at all. My mate uses his 2010 KTM EXC125 to go to and from work everyday as well as riding it over the moors etc. He bought it new and he looks after it and it looks after him as they say and its just as quick and powerful now as the day he got it.

scrimsmustang · DTR Mechanic

djaniero wrote:
@Energized....any 450s in particular that you would recommend mate. Will have around £1600 to spend.

@ Scrimsmustang - Thanks for the link...they look like really cool bikes...just a little bit out of budget. I think the police up here in Manchester could do with buying all the 6 with the amount of illegal riders I see flying about these days.

The bergs I was looking at were quite early models like this....So I'm guessing they are no good?

www.gumtree.com/p/husaberg-motorbikes/husaberg-fe400/1090251106

www.gumtree.com/p/husaberg-motorbikes/husaberg-650-suoermoto-2002/1089926563

Another 700 quid would get you a 2011 model Husky 510 on a 10 plate looked after by Police mechanics from the day it was new these bike will be absolutely spot on and wanted for absolutely nothing at all ever.......... get a borrow mate...........

scrimsmustang · DTR Mechanic

Get bidding.......... never rode a bike till you've rode one of these if you want a supermoto, yes its old but its very very good and very fast, well 120mph......... from a 250 twin and they sound awesome this one has a grands woth of Lomas pipes on it aswell.

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-TDR-250-tdr250-sale-or-swap-/221620673581

sebamax2 · Guru

like scrim said the older bergs were a bit poor on build quality but if you dont mind getting dirty than i suppose any of the two would work, the 650 for a first bike could be a bit too much i think :) dont rule out the CCM the 404ds you can get one for around 1500 and there you get
in my opinion better styling than the drz
engine from a drz e which was a bit more powerful than a drz sm engine
ktm WP front and rear suspension
they are a bunch of parts of everything lol i think all ccm did is a frame and the tank
the plastics from what i have heard the tank panels are of a crf maybe not the same but seen people use the crf panels on the ccm
rear panels are of a yzf
so pretty much plenty of spares for it good reliable drz motor

ride that about for a while and than get a proper 450 or something like that

djaniero · DTR Senior Member

@scrimsmustang - I'll have a think about the 2011 model Husky. But I really did want to stay within my budget - I have too many other weekend toys at the moment lol.
Thats reassuring to know about these bikes...i.e. as long as you carry out basic maintenance they well serve you well. I'll be honest in saying I'm the biggest research geek when it comes to making decisions, and after reading some of the comments about rebuilds etc needing to be done after so many rides/hours on 2 stroke and 4 stroke sms (mainly on the US forums), it put me off slightly.
As I said, I don't intend on using the bike daily, just a simple weekend warrior :) during the summer months. If I did end up getting a berg would you say to make sure I get an 06-onwards?

@Calum22 - If I had the funds I think I would go all out and get a 2 stroke (aprilia mx) and a 4 stroke sm....best of both worlds hey lol. My Brother picked up his new bike last week, (Ducati 748)...yanno me I'm not speed junkie at all, I like to just cruise along, and give it some beans when the right conditions/roads allow. So ideally I need something than can withstand going out on rides out with my bro...maybe the odd short trip on the motorway maybe?

@sebamax2 - Yeah I've been looking at that 650 again, and it maybe a lil too much for my first bike.....seems like savage track ready beast...maybe something I can work my way up to :)

Its funny you mention the ccm, as they did cross my mind too. But someone on a local forum put me off and said they're mega heavy bikes?
Why were they built with an assortment of parts from different companies lol?

scrimsmustang · DTR Mechanic

Ex Police Husky "now the TDR has gone lol", its a no brainer.... you know where its been, you know its been maintained to the highest standards and you know its going to be spot on and ready to ride with no messing about. Plus they might as well be giving them away..................

djaniero · DTR Senior Member

Sorry, read the thread again and saw what you said about the TDR....seemed like a beast, but not too keen on the look...I'm a fussy bugger lol.

How easy/hard would it be to convert the husky to an SM? Its out of budget like I said, but you've got me thinking whether or not I should save for longer, and get some more cash together.

scrimsmustang · DTR Mechanic

Easy, no different than converting any other bike.....................

djaniero · DTR Senior Member

I'm new to all this scrims....so is that basically changing the rims tyres and sprockets?

scrimsmustang · DTR Mechanic

Yeah.............

Victor · Guru

You should buy a 125... I don't think it's a good idea to go above 30bhp for a first bike but that's just my opinion.

Would you want a car that does 0-60 in under 4 seconds to learn on >.<.

You can always sell the 125 If it's just too slow but once you get above 400cc the room for error isn't very big.

Also with all that power it's very easy to start racking up point's and the new drivers act sucks.

djaniero · DTR Senior Member

Thanks Scrims.

@Victor - Point taken. I think I may have got a bit carried away in thinking I'll get a 125 and be bored of it once I'd past my mods. But would rather have something I can

I went to look at an aprilia sx 125 over the weekend, and I'm swaying more towards one of those now.

Energized · DTR Legend

My best mate is saving for an SX 125 now, keep telling him to hurry his ass up! I'd go for one mate, amazing styling, amazing handling, amazing brakes, amazing suspension and amazing performance. Only down side is they're a bit more maintainance than a DT, but totally worth it.

Calum122 · Guru

Energized wrote:
My best mate is saving for an SX 125 now, keep telling him to hurry his ass up! I'd go for one mate, amazing styling, amazing handling, amazing brakes, amazing suspension and amazing performance. Only down side is they're a bit more maintainance than a DT, but totally worth it.

You've changed your tune...you were totally against the Rotax 122 engine before :/

Energized · DTR Legend

Shut up you no i wasn't! Hehehe, dunno mate but if i have then it's probably for the best :P I rate them man, had to hear all about them for the past few months from my mates so i've learnt a fair bit more about them haha

Calum122 · Guru

Gorgeous motors. Made by Austrian company Rotax. Say what you will about the Austrians, they know how to put together a smoker haha! Mate the Aprilias have always been high spec. Even their Aprilia SR 50cc scooter. Aprilia were the only manufacture I know of that manufactured electronic fuel injection two stroke production bike. Didn't work but fair play for them giving it a go. Wish they kept it up. Two strokes would be a completely different scene if they figured it out.

-- Edited by Calum122 on Monday 15th of December 2014 10:45:31 PM

Energized · DTR Legend

Peach it sisterrrrrr!!! For sure mate!

sebamax2 · Guru

djaniero wrote:
@scrimsmustang - I'll have a think about the 2011 model Husky. But I really did want to stay within my budget - I have too many other weekend toys at the moment lol.
Thats reassuring to know about these bikes...i.e. as long as you carry out basic maintenance they well serve you well. I'll be honest in saying I'm the biggest research geek when it comes to making decisions, and after reading some of the comments about rebuilds etc needing to be done after so many rides/hours on 2 stroke and 4 stroke sms (mainly on the US forums), it put me off slightly.
As I said, I don't intend on using the bike daily, just a simple weekend warrior :) during the summer months. If I did end up getting a berg would you say to make sure I get an 06-onwards?

@Calum22 - If I had the funds I think I would go all out and get a 2 stroke (aprilia mx) and a 4 stroke sm....best of both worlds hey lol. My Brother picked up his new bike last week, (Ducati 748)...yanno me I'm not speed junkie at all, I like to just cruise along, and give it some beans when the right conditions/roads allow. So ideally I need something than can withstand going out on rides out with my bro...maybe the odd short trip on the motorway maybe?

@sebamax2 - Yeah I've been looking at that 650 again, and it maybe a lil too much for my first bike.....seems like savage track ready beast...maybe something I can work my way up to :)

Its funny you mention the ccm, as they did cross my mind too. But someone on a local forum put me off and said they're mega heavy bikes?
Why were they built with an assortment of parts from different companies lol?

well the ccm are build up from all kind of things but proven to be good bikes plus the 404 is much lighter than a drz plus it has a better engine. with the supermotos is simple

you want something fun like a exc 450 crf wrf a husky or a berg its gonna be alot of maintance

a bit less fun but much less maintance you go for something like a ccm drz dr650 xr650 or an LC4 they are a bit heavier but still plenty of power and less maintance. but if it is a weekend warrior i would go for a 450 or one of the silly light weight supermoto with loads of maintance :D

sebamax2 · Guru

as for the aprilias I had 2x MX 125 and they were something else deferentially the 125 to go for , not easy to get bored of and plenty of power unrestricted to keep you happy, the sx looks good but its just a bit too much like an sxv but still very far away from it the mx looks a bit more mean and would probably cost you less

djaniero · DTR Senior Member

lol.... A Berg, CRF or Husky is definitely on the cards at some point in the future, one my confidence builds as a rider.

Yeah 100 % agreed...I was trying to explain this to my brother, but he was just seeing it as the sx is a newer bike...I actually prefer the look on the mx to the sx.

Can you tell me any common faults to look out for on the mx's? Theres a couple going quite cheap at the moment on gumtree, but I'm unsure whether its just the time of year, and I can bag a bargain or I'm just buying a cheap bike with a tonne of issues?

Calum122 · Guru

Energized wrote:
Shut up you no i wasn't! Hehehe, dunno mate but if i have then it's probably for the best :P I rate them man, had to hear all about them for the past few months from my mates so i've learnt a fair bit more about them haha

Sorry, If you didn't know then The MX runs a rotax 122 engine which is the same engine that powers the Aprilia RS125. Which is why I rate them so much since after all my tuning the DT didn't stand a chance against the RS.

Calum122 · Guru

djaniero wrote:
lol.... A Berg, CRF or Husky is definitely on the cards at some point in the future, one my confidence builds as a rider.

Yeah 100 % agreed...I was trying to explain this to my brother, but he was just seeing it as the sx is a newer bike...I actually prefer the look on the mx to the sx.

Can you tell me any common faults to look out for on the mx's? Theres a couple going quite cheap at the moment on gumtree, but I'm unsure whether its just the time of year, and I can bag a bargain or I'm just buying a cheap bike with a tonne of issues?

Probably mate. Winter projects en all.

The Electrics are their worst enemies. And the cogs that drive the oil pump are made from plastic and I know both Rotax engines I've rode with have had those snap on them. The clutch goes as well (very easy job and cheap). For judder because they'll no doubt be wheelied. Again can be cheap if you do it. Bike mechanics love to charge good money on that job because it's easy for an experienced person to do but harder for a novice. The RAVE valve needs cleaning. They clog up often.

Just general maintenance really. I mean as we've said bikes wear and 17 year olds can never be bothered to spend the money fixing it. So they tend to be a little beaten. But nothing a good service won't fix. Remembering that piston and rings is just service.

scrimsmustang · DTR Mechanic

Aprillia shamillia lol...................... KTM EXC125 OR Husaberg TE125 Just to throw a spanner in the works