so i was riding along getting up to speed, got to 68mph then engine bogged so quickly clutched it and rolled down the road, wouldnt start after that so had to face the long push home..
anyway the only reason i can think of is because the oil pump has broken? so how can i check? (full tank of petrol and oil! so didnt run out)
all the worse as engine has only done 147 miles since full overhaul so going to have to find the money for a new piston from somewhere
already whipped the whole top end off, head gasket was fine and coolant levels were fine, i did notice a rattle in the engine, sounded sort of like piston slap of something but my dad insisted it was normal
piston is badly marked/sort of melted just to the right of the arrow facing the exhaust port, will upload a picture tomorow if i remember
not sure on size but its not standard, its more than 2.5 tho as piston from my other barrel is loose fit, from what i can see there's metal from the piston stuck to bore but no scratches or scores
took about an hour pushing it home and got stopped by the police twice apparently your not allowed to roll on the pavement at 10mph haha
heres a picture of the worst part, its the left side facing the exhaust port, the right side is scratched up too but not as bad. Checked rings and says '50' on them so this means its 5mm oversize?
i'd say so. that would be a really minor rebore that though,good sign its been looked after. they normally have a piston and rings change at 20k,and a rebore if the barrel is worn. a 0.25 rebore is very minor,routine wear
Yeah man ,my bikes done 25,000 and is only on 0.50 ,I think they only go to about 2.00 ish before you get power valve damage !,,was you bike pretty standard when you got it ?
Oh oh oh just thought if all the damage is on one side it could mean the seal on that side of the lump has failed,it looks pretty white around that side of the exhaust port ,this would make sense of the marks and their position on the slug white would seem to indicate a lean mix on that side ,the dry side of the crank ,it's easy to put in and only a couple of quid to buy ....can we see a pic of the plug end???
Don't know what everyone else feels about this but looks lean dude ,air leak air leak lol,defo chec th dry side seal ,this piston was loose anyhow coz of da blowby?..Norfe ? Nev ? Trip ? Bradders? Mdk?etc etc
Deffo looking borderline lean, not very oily on the thread neither, personally I'd plump for oil pump route, air lock? poor mix?, this is why I pre-mix if it is.
alright, does anyone know the tolerances ect needed for getting barrel rebored as i need to tell the guy tomorow when i take the barrel for him to look at
also there was a rattle which to me sounded like piston slap but i cant be certain
Epiphany !yours is a 3mb with 26mm , these have 56.40 standard piston size as apposed to the later 3bn which has 56.00'mmm this means a 0.50 piston from a later year would only be 0.10 over sized and would end up like this with the rattle aswel ,??? Did you get the piston for your year coz it matters ?? Let us all know man ,we'll help out
sounds interesting, yeah i believe its the 3mb 'P' head as it has no markings, honestly cant say what piston is in it as dad took it to dynotech and got them to overhaul it all but ill ask him if he has a receipt so i can check, its a 1992
+ 1 Norfe ,you can use petrol but its safer to use something else,anyone found something that really works for flushing cases and gets all the crap outta there ,something cheap, that's heat seized man deffo,in the Graeme bell 2stroke book there's some good pics of pistons and what causes their damage,there's a copy of it on the forum
-- Edited by GADGET on Tuesday 17th of July 2012 09:50:00 PM
are you saying you opened the bike right up after only doing 147 on a new piston an rebore matey. Does look a bit lean also ,, an that piston looks like its whacked the pv your running servo i take it i know iv had to alter 2 powervalves on +1.50 overbores killed a piston like this myself
yeah thats got well hot, lack of lube on that side or air leak, mix up some pre mix fuel and pull the oil line off and put ur finger on the inlet spigot, then hold the pump wide open with the pully and rev the bike see if it pumps oil
if thats ok id start looking ofor the left side crank seal leaking
like nev said to mucjh heat can wreck a head in warpage
and theres no need for a 500 mile break in on a piston
3 heat and cool cycles is fine ,never really run a bike in and never had a problem, 500 miles is just a manufactures thing on a brand new bike
aslong as u give it a nice gentle warm up it wuill be fine
i thought that it could have hit powervalve too but it doesnt touch although could hit after bike gets hot as i havent done any very long runs on it
will try that NORFE, bike does get warmer with the smaller dtr radiator on but not excessively hot... did the three heat cycles and and had been taking it easy, bike was at running temp and had been riding round town with a friend on his 50 for most of the day so obviously wasnt going flat out or redlining it
sending barrel to get rebored, new piston and some gaskets tomorow to hopefully get it all back by weekend or monday
id check the bottom end out and flush all the bearings out all those bits off alloy offf the piston will wreck the bearings when its running if there left in there