Or maybe go 57.94 with a domed piston. Don't know yet. Got to work out what the compression ratio will be and whether or not the crank will take it.
I'm sure if it can handle a 170cc Athena It'll take 135cc's. But the power gains will be MUCH more than the Athena. guaranteed. The Athena Is just poor. Poor porting and transfer ports. I'm going to get it all legit. Run a 34mm Flat slide carb on it.
Dunno if it's worth it tbh. I've been put off the idea ever since i saw some foreign kid who got a mick abbey tuned engine on his dt with all the works etc and it still didn't lift in his vids or look much faster at all.
From what i've read its not. Don't expect anything less that your current motor.
Why? I even spoke to mick about this. And he said its the cdi. Wthout a race cdi don't expect great power gains. He even told me this himself. Need an ignitech cdi. Another £500. But its not about the end result is it? Its about the fun trying. I'd like to give it a go.
I've done the Athena route. £600 spent on tuning my 2001 dtr to be massively dissappinted. This time i'm going to do it differently.
I'd like more info on what the Portugese dudes do tbh. What do they do "right" that our UK tuners can't with these engines? They seem to know them like the back of their hand.
Just like the video that Mig posted up,a DT that can beat a honda crf 450 race bike supermoto and a yamaha banshee, both with more than three times the engine displacement and not a lot heavier either.
Baffles me how we can't just as easily get the performance over here, like they can.
I guess DT's are just in more demand over there with regards to tuning, which is why their engine mods are spot on, where as over here our tuners rarely deal with the DT engine.
I hate them as there is one little Scrote who lives near me blasts about on it at 2 in the morning the little rat that horrible rotax sound makes me want to punch an unborn child
Hahahaha yeah true the worst thing about rs's is they sound ****kkking terrible. My mate's had a full arrow titanium system with carbon silencer and still sounded gash.
Lol. Sounds like jealousy to me. It's a cracking motor. Pinicle of the two stroke engine.
Those days are gone now. All 17 year olds have now to look forward to are just the Aprilia 125F. Yay! Four cycle engine. In a 125. That does about 60 Mph.
Great crack. For what they are they're fantastic little motors. Just abused by teenagers.
Even the Aprilia Rs250 is a fantastic motor. Uses a suzuki RGV250 engine in it.
this is my mates reiss's told him to buy a dt but nop 3 engines later and 2 frames,
this is my mates joeys one told him to buy a dt but he couldn't find one so bought this lasted about 3 weeks and he sold it and bought another runner as it was a pile of **** and kept brakeing.
this is my mate matts one told him to buy a dt but no he bought this is he likes it but payed 2k for it its a jap import with jap numbers. went throw 3 bores in 3 months now on a 160 kit and its a pile of **** slow as **** i left him for **** going to mayday he couldn't keep up with us.
and now is onto his second one as the jap one keeps not starting and falling apart
Thats the problem with the rs. They've all been ragged before you've had a chance to get on one. If you had one out the factory you wouldn't be saying they are sht.
Mine wants to lift in 1st, 2nd and 3rd without even trying.
It'll smoke my DT on bottom and Top end and through the twisties will keep up with 400's due to its lightweight chasis and quick accelleration.
Like i said, theres only two reasons why your mates RS is shít. Either they aren't riding it properly or you're a better rider than them. Or the engines nakered.
I know where you two are coming from though. My mate had an rs125 before i had one. And i based my judgement of the rs on it. My dt kept up with it bottom and top end. And i thought the same. This bike is crap. If my dt can keep up with it.
But even though it was slow as hell. The engine was solid. It must have been thrashed within an inch of its life. It had no generator and sounded absolutely gash. But even though the engine was failing when he bought it, it still lasted him over a year of abuse everyday. So you can't tell me they're unreliable because he did no maintenance what so ever.
Like i've already said i've had mine for over two years now. Paid £700 for it at a breakers yard. And straight from there on the ride home i couldn't believe how fast it was. How ruthless the powerband was. And then more importantly how slow my dt was in comparison. Even my 170 athena dt was a pile of wank compared.
Since buying it two years ago i've got a full arrow system. Polini 160 kit. 34mm carb and some other bits and lightened the flywheel.
My mate had an 06 YZ125 road registered with a full lighting kit on it, I had an 07 RM125K7 done the same from brand new " I fitted the lighting kits " its a doddle an hours work....
I used Proracing stators with lighting coils so no battery is needed, with Proracing looms and switches. You can use any headlights and tail lights that you want to be honest be they will sell you a full kit with everything you need loom hydraulic brake light switches horn regulator etc. For speedos we used the usual pile of s***e Trailtechs..........
My mate had L plates on the YZ with no probs, he even went to work on the thing now and again, he has a 2011 KTM EXC125 now with L plates on it.
As for reliability with MX bikes on the road like anything set them up right and look after them they are fine, I only used my RM for enduros and greenlaning but the YZ was used daily more or less, they were very reliable and never let us down from 2007 to 2011. All mine got was a piston kit every year and regular servicing with good oil and run on good 2stroke.
For use as enduro bikes all I did was run one tooth up on the front sprockets for some extra legs, used the standard main jet on the YZ and the RM, lifted the needle one clip on both and backed the mixture screw out an extra half a turn to help them tickover nice. This stopped the YZ from fouling the plug at low rpm but kept full topend power. The RM ran perfect on standard settings but ran sweet with the little tweeks smooth delivery like a DT but twice the power.
Mind you you as everyone knows you can just go out and buy any of these already ready to go with light and a reg plate to save all the messing about with lighting kits but they still need setting up properly carb wise.
KTM 125 EXC
Husaberg TE 125
Husqvarna WR 125
They are all very good, Ive got a 2011 KTM XC 250 2stroke mind you I had to use a Proracing lighting kit as they come with no lights but the XC is the dogs bollox and my mate has a 2010 Husky WR 300
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There are a few exc's round my way and they don't look all that. Enny put up a video and it was fast as fck! But after reading up on it the guy had spent £1500 tuning it. So what are exc's new £3500 then another £1500. Thats 5K in total i'll put some serious money that Nev's bike will smoke it and engine wise i will say nev has paid less.
The few round my way are faster than my dt. But thats about it. Either they can't ride (like me) or they are not as good as said out to be.
Not a hope in hell Calum, a standard well set up new 125 EXC even with the tall road gearing that comes in the spares package fitted will leave it for dead and that gearing makes them slower off the mark " sorry NEV I might be wrong " my 07 RM with just one tooth on the front would leave my mates sons 05 RE with a 170 kit and this that and the other fitted to it as if it wasnt even there and the RM was standard save for the carb settings and front sprocket. I cant comment on anyone spending £1500 on tuning a 125EXC but why they are on the edge as it and you could just buy a 200EXC its the same bike but even better lots more torque and a bit more power.
125 EXC,s new for £3500 nah Calum more like a few quid shy of 6 grand mate, there is no comparison whatsoever. The modern 125 competition bikes are way way lighter less than 100 kg with double power of a standard derestricted DT at around 40hp depending on how they are set up.
But those 170 kits are poo scrim! They are absolutely shìte! And the re is the slowest of the dts going. The cdi makes them totally restricted and what not. You can't compare what i said to a dtre. Nevs bike is not a dtre. Its a belgarda tzr/dtr which out the factory are claimed 30bhp. Then hes bored it out to 140cc with powervalve and 4dl cdi and 38mm carb. You can't tell me his dt wouldn't at least keep up with a ktm let alone smash it.
Just saying cause i've seen lots of exc's and am not totally impressed. Never seen nevs bike but read up a lot about his setup and they're suppose to be ruthless.
Nevs spent lots of money on powdercoating and body work. But engine work alone will be much less than what that chavey paid for his ktm.
Just seen this and aye mate the exc 125's push 42 bhp bone stock, but even stock they're tricked to death with the single ring teflon coated vertex piston, vforce3 reed block, fat carb, highly ported cylinder, magura hydraulic clutch, etc etc!
The exc 125's will eat anything that's why they call them the RS killers or any other 125 for that matter, they'll even eat some 400's like the dizzers, showed you that vid of querly and he couldn't even keep up at full throttle with one and he has the DRZ e version with the better engine too.
Aye mate EXC's new are 6 grand i'm after anything between 07-10 i really like the styling of those models, even better than the new ones.
Now ya'll know why those Italian boys have one as soon as they're like 17 off mummy and daddy, they either get one of them, honda cr motard, TM motard, or the KXL motard. Or even the Fantic cabalero. Kids over in Italy are spoilt for choice for road going 125 rockets, shame we never get such an amazing selection to choose from. Most of the bikes i've mentioned are an Italy only production bike that they pumped out in early to mid 2000's. Companies over there were pumping out these kl/cr/rm 125's, basically just the mx bike but converted with a full supermoto big breaking kit and wheels, full high spec lighting kits, side stand, speedo, road gearing and set up perfect for tearing up the road. All of those bikes are pushing up to 46bhp, pretty mad really. Piston change intervals are every 3000-4000 kmh so not terrible either.
And the guy in the vid i linked defo didnt spend 1.5k modding it mate, they're that rapid from stock. He's just had a vhm head insert and changed up the gearing and converted it with big breaking caliper and disc and sm wheels since his is an older model, all those visual things hes done probs added up a bit so h'es on about what he's spent on wheels etc aswell.
Firstly they ARE NOT 40bhp. Wherever you got that from you must have misread. Not even YZ125's get that much power stock.
Secondly yes he did mate. He said it some himself in the comments. Go and read it for yourself or take my word. Direct copy and paste.
sundo0016 Apr 2013
The exhaust is by far the best thing you can do to start with, make sure to get a full system tho as the front pipe is just as restricting as the can is. I think it cost me about £410 for the full fmf system. but I think you can get it a little cheaper if you shop around. I've spent well over £1500 on this bike getting it just how I wanted.
So no they are not that quick out the factory.
Specs for a 2001 exc
Make Model
KTM 125 EXC Enduro
Year
2000-01
Engine
Liquid cooled, two stroke, single cylinder
Capacity
124.8
Bore x Stroke 54 x 54.5 mm
Compression Ratio
Induction
Keihin PWK 38 AGI
Ignition / Starting
Kokusan digital / kick
Max Power
11 hp @ 7500 rpm
Max Torque
Transmission / Drive
6 Speed / chain
Front Suspension
43mm Upside down forks and shock. 295mm wheel travel
Rear Suspension
Fully adjustable White Power 320mm wheel travel
Front Brakes