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Dt Danny · Guru

My dt project

Calum122 · Guru

Aww that chavey on the left looks well smart....

Dude I'm sure you've done more than that to her.

Save some money for the sumo. Better off doing a nice job first time round

You still not sorted out that cylinder yet lol?

It really shouldn't have warped that much mate.

You must not be torquing it correctly or putting the head gasket on upside down

Dt Danny · Guru

Yeh i have done loads more just havent have the time to update the thread and yeh i run it without water ( got told that by a motorbike mechanic he said for it to bond) and its the right way round and im saving as much money as i can :)

Calum122 · Guru

Oh my fcking good god! Are you kidding me.

Mate that is seriously bad! You'll destroy the engine running it with no coolant!

That's not going to 'bond' anything. The gasket is a sheet of metal. You'll distort the head, barrel and gasket and you'll make things worse! Jeez mate take it to a shop to be skimmed lol. For the sake of £20. Or just spend £30 on another barrel. £20 on a new head. £35 on a rebore and sort it out properly. Running without coolant is a seriously dumb idea.

Dt Danny · Guru

Yeh i know that now, the guy was a motorcycle tech ..... im going to get it skimmed and get the de restricted head

Calum122 · Guru

Danny0112 wrote:
Yeh i know that now, the guy was a motorcycle tech ..... im going to get it skimmed and get the de restricted head

Obviously not a very good one if he is suggesting such things. Fúck it why stop there. Might as well bother not running any oil too!

Mate jeez i'm almost at the point where I might as well do it for you. I could easily go down to the scrap yard. Buy a cylinder. Recondition it and then give it to you. But then it probaby comes down to something you're doing wrong. Could even be water pump seal. Or water jacket leaking. Or faulty thermostat cause water to heat up evaporate and leave via the expansion bottle.

Dt Danny · Guru

Yeh true, im going to get it skimmed and see if thats the problem

yamahayz125 · DTR Senior Member

haha wtf did I just read that run it with no coolant it helps it bond yea the piston rings to the cylinder wall. and I hope u haven't been running the bike with no coolant bud as u might as well get a new barrel and head as the heats would off warped the head and barrel

Dt Danny · Guru

Nah i soon realised he was talking sh^t i put coolent in it and it just pissed out so i changed the head and it still is looseing coolent but not as fast

Bearing in mind i did this almost a year ago, i plan on getting the clyinder skimmed aswell as buying a de restricted head :)

-- Edited by Danny0112 on Tuesday 14th of January 2014 02:25:25 AM

Calum122 · Guru

Why don't you buy that cylinder off Liam's bike. Since you know that one was running.

Luke · Guru

Liam would get more money selling whole engine and loom than stripping the cylinder etc.

Calum122 · Guru

Boxing wrote:
Liam would get more money selling whole engine and loom than stripping the cylinder etc.

What?

1. Not necessarily. If Liam broke the whole engine down he could get £50 for a decent crank. £50 for a decent gearbox. £50 for the crank cases. £20 for the primary drive gears. £20 for the balancer shaft. £20 for the clutch. £50 for the generator and windings. £50 for the kickstart mechanism, idle gear and kickstart. Plus much much more.

Where as the engine sold as a whole would fetch dunno £100. Who would buy an engine without rebuilding it. Then there's the cylinder and the powervalve alone fetches up to £50.

And i'm being polite with those prices. I bet he could charge a lot more and get it.

2. Liam is Danny's mate. So could just swap the cylinders over anyway.

MDK · DTR Legend

didnt read it all but did see the .[ the guy was a motorcycle tech and told me to run it with out water to bond ?]

clearly the guy knows nothing about engines to tell you such a thing I would stay well clear of any advice that guy gives you and would not let him near any bike .

I know guys like that come across as pro mechanics but in fact turn out to be cornflake box gasket users and silcone sealant kings .

Calum122 · Guru

Seriously MDK i know right. Air cooled engines are designed with air cooling. Hence the fins. And funnily enough liquid cooled engines with oh i dunno liquid.

MDK · DTR Legend

Calum122 wrote:
Seriously MDK i know right. Air cooled engines are designed with air cooling. Hence the fins. And funnily enough liquid cooled engines with oh i dunno liquid.

can not get my head round why some one would say that to him ? what was they thinking ?

I am no expert but know that is a realy bad idea on andy liquid cooled bike you can get it warmed up or up to heat with coolant in so no nead to run it dry thats just crazy the poor water pump alone running dry is not good for any pump much less a bike or engine one .

dread123 · Moderator

i thought you were doing it properly last time?? hence why my offer to come and do it for you was there? cant believe you never sorted out the skimming bit? the money you spending on sumo, just £25 will sort that out. £15 to skim and £10 for genuine gasket and then its done?

get it running right before cosmetics pal?

Calum122 · Guru

I'm sure dread you can see why I was a bit blunt last time round. Seriously Danny, how many times is this now that I've spoke to you about that damned head of yours. Seriously piece of piss job and you ain't half doing a monkey job about it.

No offense and all that mate but I really don't know how much more help I can be unless I take a 2 hour drive to sort out a five minute problem lol

dread123 · Moderator

i live 5mins away lol...

i thought it was sorted because he said he had done it all properly and torqued up? but if its not flat then theres no point torquing up etc.

Dt Danny · Guru

lol yeh dread you can come and do it next time lol, im a bitt annoyed i went to change my gear box oil today and my mates as he was tighting the bolt back in he sheared it in the case :/

-- Edited by Danny0112 on Tuesday 14th of January 2014 11:38:57 PM

Dt Danny · Guru

i seriously give up with it, was on my mates pulse before ( the one that got ****ed on the cctv i posted ) and its not fast but its a smooth ride

AndyYam · Guru

Some people just shouldnt be allowed near bikes. May sound harsh but......

MDK · DTR Legend

dont listen to them we have all sheered or snapped bolts in our times .

if the bolt is at the bottom can be a problem .. as thats where the oil sits most but in some cases the rest of the bolts can still make a good tight seal .

if its at the top not to bad as again the other bolts can still make a good seal .

if you take this option always slip some card or paper under the eng at night to show drips or oil loss or just keep a good eye on oil levels.

another tip that metal water pipe that attach to the case I never losen that as it can some times start to leak I losen the rubber pipe from the other side .

Dt Danny · Guru

Andy are you on about me ? and its the sump plug bolt mdk i have no idea what im going to do its sheard off so deep i wont be able to get it out it will need the whole engine split to do so so when i get the money its going to norfe

Liam12 · DTR Legend

See Danny this is what happens when you let other people who don't have a clue work on your bike! I offered to come down and do it, even said use my trade card to get you oil cheap! You took your bike to Aidan the kid who F.ucked up putting your sprocket on! And when I asked him about he just laughed and said "not my bike" I'm sick of helping you out me and Jamie both! Coming down wasting petrol to come and help you out only to get a call a week later saying that this has happened even after we offered to do it for you! I go out charging people to do their bikes yet because you're a mate I give you my time for free! I'll very rarely ask for fuel to come up! I followed you home the other night after your bike was cutting out! Me and Jamie have probs stopped you from having your bike robbed twice! From where you haven't clocked shady looking people!

Anyway rant over! If you need it sorting when you've got the money I'll be down to sort it but for f.uck sake lad stop going to Aidan to work on your bike! He rants on about how he always looks after his bikes! I never once seen who heard of him servicing the er!!

Victor · Guru

just very carefully drill it out

start with a drillbit alot smaller than the bolt to get a centre punch started

and work your way up to one just smaller than the bolt

might ruin a few drill bits but you will get it out without ruining the threads

Luke · Guru

How did he shear the bolt in the engine case? Did he not do it up hand tight first then use a tool on it?

MDK · DTR Legend

so is the bolt out ? or snapped in the hole is it leaking or still a good seal ? tbh if its not leaking then leave it alone till some one with skills can sort it for ya .

from reading above sounds like you let any tom dick or harry mess around with your bike and they keep fcking things up ?
I know many of guys that give it the good old I had bikes for years I know what im doing chat but fact is they are bodge-its types
the types that always have tons or red gasket sealant round the head with a bit of cornflake box showing or chemical metal smeard on exhaust huols coverd with tin can and clips along the things these people do are all fine for some scrapper field bike but not a legal road bike tell him to stick to tampering with 110.s and mini motos .

Luke · Guru

Got to agree with MDK here.

Don't let people fuck with your bike if you know they messed up before on a sprocket.

I'd rather spend the money going to a proper mechanic than let some incompetent fool mess with my bike. Least I know if the mechanic cocks up it comes out of their pocket, not mine. Unless you have a good friend that will pay for damages. But when Liam said he laughed and said "not my bike" sounds like he won't give you a penny. Let it be a lesson, I guess.

Friends or not, if they messed up before don't allow them to mess. Especially when Liam offered to do it for you. :|

Going to be an expensive lesson as well. Especially if having bottom end done. About the £300-£400 region, then posting costs unless you go in car would be about same with petrol money. :|

Calum122 · Guru

I've done the same thing mate. Worst mistake i've ever made. Done it two years ago and still leaks. Best thing to do is drop the engine out remove the clutch and drill and tap it.

For the moment danny you can do what i've dond on my bike. Tap the case with a M8 bolt and that'll seal it for now.

Also use stainless steel bolts not those cheap nasty bolts Yamaha use.

As a mate I'm telling you this Danny. MAN DA **** UP! Boo hoo you've had another mishap with incompetant fools. So what Learn from it and move on. This drainage bolt IS NOT THE BE ALL AND END ALL! BELIEVE ME I'VE BEEN THERE DONE THAT. No joke Same thing happened to me two years ago when I didn't have a clue about mechanics but gave it a shot. I've had head gaskets blow on me from using cheap pattern ones and a warped head. I just kept filling the radiator until I had the funds to sort it. Then I did. I've got my gearbox leaking after two years. Just keep topping it up.

I've had that clutch case off so many times it's unreal trying to fix the problem. I'm pretty much there now. Athena clutch case gasket. Stainless bolts all round and tightened up nicely. Went from gushing to just the odd drip now.

Just take your time and sort it out. If you sort out these few little niggles then happy days and smiley faces. And believe it or not I'd listen to Boxing. Jeez he's definitely been there done that. He's once persistent bugger that's for sure. I remember him and his engine and the little problems he had. But he's there now and even undertaking little projects like his KX.

As a friend I'm saying just relax. It doesn't have to be all and end all cause the bikes leaking.

As said if you can't remove the bolt then Tap the clutch case using a m8 thread and then stick an M8 in there for now. Will stop it gushing. Then once you've got the resources sort it out.

Otherwise buy that engine of Liam. Send it to NORFE for a full rebuild. For the cost of £400 you will have a brand spanking hassle free engine that will easily do 15'000 miles. It sounds expensive but by the way things are going for you mate you'll end up spending that in headgaskets lmao.

As a community we're here for you and obviously don't want to see you get beaten by a few lousy problems. Just take your time and sort it out.

And if you MUST sell the DT DON'T buy a friggin chinease bike! Buy a Honda CG125 mate. OMG what a bike! Will see you to hell and back mate. The Honda CG is a cracking 4 stroke and will take endless punishment. Still slow as sht but cracking bike nevertheless.

-- Edited by Calum122 on Wednesday 15th of January 2014 12:54:07 PM

MDK · DTR Legend

yeah if you realy have lost faith and give up on the dt then at least buy another good name bike honda-suzuki-yamaha dont go to the chinlunchinacheese****e - darkside .

maybe this is the bike for you ?

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/qpod-funtech-50/1045000700